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    Default Route update,triste is all your idea

    Its a tough tough route. But yata hay.
    Everest double Mega itinerary

    Fly to Lukla, trek to Benkar or Monjo
    Namche Bazaar
    Namche Bazaar, day trip to Khunde & Khumjung
    Phortse (3810m) via Mong
    Dingboche (4410 m)
    Chhukhung (4730 m), climb Chhukhung Ri (5550m)
    spare day 1- Hike to Nupse Face?
    Lobuche (4910m) via Kongma La (5535m)
    Gorak Shep (5160m), climb Kala Patar (5540m)
    spare day 2 - EBC?
    Zonglha
    Dragnag via Cho La
    Gokyo, climb Gokyo Ri
    fifth lake and beyond
    Rest or easy dayhike/short hike to nearer the pass?
    Lundgen via Renjo La
    Lundgen to Monjo/mostly downhill/how many hrs?
    Monjo to Lukla
    Lukla to Kathmandau first flight
    Alt flight kathmandau morning pm Rob fly home

    I am trying to get the itinerary to synch up with my desired plane departure hence the rather long day(how long?) Lungden to Monjo near the end.
    we took triste's suggestion of Spare days and incorporated that to the schedule. Maybe some of those turn to easier options.

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    Default Re: Route update,triste is all your idea

    So on the morning of Day 1 your depart from Kathmandu (1370m) and by the evening of Day 6 you are in Chhukhung (4730m). That's an average altitude gain of 560m per day - that is getting dangerous! It doesn't matter how fit you are or how many hours/miles you can walk per day, if you ascend too quickly without being suitably acclimatised then there is a serious risk of AMS.

    Accepted wisdom recommends ~300m ascent per day, this can be exceeded with some caution, but it is extremely unwise to nearly double that rate on a continuous basis. Do not risk death for the sake of forcing your itinerary to make a return flight, either take a longer holiday or plan a more conservative trek.

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    Default Re: Route update,triste is all your idea

    The trail from Phortse to Pangboche is along a steep slope, one can view the Tengboche monastery constantly, which is magnificent.

    trail


    Tengboche monastery


    Tengboche monastery, close up



    If you wish, you can side trip to Tengboche before you reach Pangboche (cross the bridge then going up), then continue to Dingboche in one day (7 + 3 hours).

    Pangboche afar, the bridge connecting Pangboche and Tengboche

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    Default Re: Route update,triste is all your idea

    Oli, that's a bit extreme. Somehow I survived the 8 trips to the summit of whitney which is 4421 meters going from SEA LEVEL to the top in just over 24 hours.

    Mt Kenya pt Lenana 4985 meters from 1500 base(not acclimated to this altitude even) 4 days- No Problem

    Mt Kilimanjaro 5895 meters 5 days (also went all the way out same day) I admit I had a headache for about 2 minutes.

    Its genetic I adapt well to alltitude, no diamox etc. I am simply stating my experiences and am not recommending anyone else following my schedule.

    Maybe my experience will change. 40 years of hiking I've had a few brief headaches. In the past when I was fond of a little more speed a 4 hr whitney summit caused a brief headache as well. Never any pulmonary problems,coughing,vomiting etc.

    Everyone is different my wife has had altitude sickness below 10000 and is obviously not going on this trip.

    Triste-

    Lundgen to monjo how many hours? IS this descent reasonable?

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    Default Re: Route update,triste is all your idea

    Lundgen to monjo how many hours? IS this descent reasonable?
    It would take about 12 hours, which is, well, not a good decision.

    Most important, Lungden might be, very likely, a "no-lodge land" in winter, I would set the target to Marulung or Thami.

    On the day of crossing Renjo La, consider to stop at Marulung (about 7 hours), or Thami (about 10-11 hours). Then you have higher probability to reach Lukla on the following day.

    Anyway, it's planning, keep listening to other experience trekkers' advices, and make necessary adjustment

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    Default Re: Route update,triste is all your idea

    Quote Originally Posted by RRainey
    Oli, that's a bit extreme.
    Well perhaps I am being cautious - but not without good cause. I did not say that you will definitely die, but it is fair to say that fast ascent rates significantly increase the chances of AMS. Just be careful.

    The route between Phortse and Pangboche is a great trail. There are no facilities en route, and IIRC not much water to be had. I'd heartily recommend it, especially during the busy season when there are hundreds of trekkers on the main valley trail, just remember to fill your water bottle and pack some snacks before you set off.

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    Default Re: Route update,triste is all your idea

    Great, So Maralung then to Lukla. I am passing the itinerary by the guide and if he thinks the lodge at lundgen won't be open I am sure he will let me know.

    Are crampons typically required over the passes in mid to late December?.
    If required can we pick those up in kathmandau?

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    Default Re: Route update,triste is all your idea

    Are crampons typically required over the passes in mid to late December?
    For Kongma La and Renjo La, no. For Cho La, it's better to seek advices from other experience trekkers.

    BTW, consider to bring prayer flags to those Las and hoisting them. I always felt touched when I saw prayer flags faraway, and appreciated previous travelers who brought the flags there.

    One more thing: try to be a lightweight trekker, if you equipment is heavy, your porters / guide would have difficulty to follow this itinerary.

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    Default Re: Route update,triste is all your idea

    Yes, the weight is an issue. But we will need plenty of very warm stuff.
    we are going to make it clear that we are willing to pay for an extra porter to make it more reasonable. It would be 100-150 dollars each, well worth it.

    Prayer flags- done

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    Default Re: Route update,triste is all your idea

    New itinerary slightly modified and we are going to have two porters to make it easier for everyone.

    10/Dec Wed Robert fly from Los Angeles
    11/Dec Thu In Transit
    12/Dec Fri Robert Arrive Kathmandau, Jim leaves LA
    13/Dec Sat Robert Kathmandau tour
    14/Dec Sun Arrive Kathmandau (Jim Wolff)
    15/Dec Mon Fly to Lukla, trek to Benkar or Monjo
    16/Dec Tue TrekNamche Bazaar
    17/Dec Wed TrekNamche Bazaar, day trip to Khunde & Khumjung
    18/Dec Thu Trek to Tangboche
    19/Dec Fri Trek Dingboche (4410 m)
    20/Dec Sat Trek Chhukhung (4730 m), climb Chhukhung Ri (5550m)
    21/Dec Sun spare day 1- Hike to Nupse Face?
    22/Dec Mon Lobuche (4910m) via Kongma La (5535m)
    23/Dec Tue Gorak Shep (5160m), climb Kala Patar (5540m)
    24/Dec Wed spare day 2 - EBC
    25/Dec Thu Zonglha
    26/Dec Fri Dragnag via Cho La
    27/Dec Sat Gokyo, climb Gokyo Ri
    28/Dec Sun fifth lake and beyond
    29/Dec Mon Rest or easy dayhike
    30/Dec Tue Lundgen via Renjo La
    31/Dec Wed Lundgen to Namche
    1/Jan Thu Namche to Lukla
    2/Jan Fri Flight Lukla to Kathmandau/Rob and Jim both Kathmandau
    3/Jan Sat Lukla to Kathmandau flight backup day /Robert fly to L.A.
    4/Jan Sun Ktm Jim
    5/Jan Mon KTM Jim may fly home this day, if not then
    6/Jan Tue Jim Fly home to LA

    I am sending a deposit today. Are there teahouses in Marulung if Lundgen ones are closed?
    RR
    Last edited by RRainey; 7th February 2008 at 11:02 PM.

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