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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oli
    I am wondering if there is a way between Dragnag and the Phortse trail without crossing the glacier? Considering that Julian had come up the main valley trail and had decided to cancel crossing Cho La, would he have considered a shortcut to the alternative route? On the other hand the fact that he chose to not risk the pass suggests he would tend toward safety rather than going off on his own.
    You can go directly from Dragnag to the little village of Na La and then continue on the east side of the Gokyo valley to Phortse and then by Pangboche-Periche to EBC. I would have chosen this trail if I would stopped crossing Cho la but still wanted to go to EBC.
    This trek is very remote.

    Andrées

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophie
    Thank you for your help. We are still no closer to finding him as yet and are making arrangements to get a family member out to Nepal asap. Does anyone know how we can get in contact with the lodges at Tagnag and Dzongla to see if Julian had stayed at these lodges at all?
    If you are going out there you might do best to go up there your self and talk directly with the lodge owners. People will be utterly helpful.

    As for the route from Dragnag to the main valley via Phortse to Pangboche it should be a one day hike. It is commonly used by people who want to go both to EBC and Gokyo without crossing Cho La. You will find a description of it on http://www.yetizone.com/Everest/Trek...ek_Day18.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oli
    Robert, what day did you cross Cho La & which direction? At Gokyo did you stay in Namaste or at the Resort?

    I crossed from Lobouche to Zongla the lodges at dragnak were closed so we went all the way to Gokyo. It was december 27th and we were the only ones crossing in either direction. We stayed at the gokyo resort for 3 nights.

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    A few years ago a young English guy went missing between Jiri and Namche.
    I was trekking in that area at the time.

    I kept thinking that I really wished his family had made available on the net a
    poster, normal paper size. With a recent picture, preferably in black and
    white, and all relevant info on where he had last been seen etc. If there had
    been such a document I could easily have printed out several dozen and
    spread them in the lodges and restaurants along the trail. They can be on
    the walls there within days if well prepared and linked to from this forum.

    I understand it it is not obvious for family members to come to this forum
    for help. But if they do they will have come to right place.

    Apart from that I also want to remind of the book "Lost in the Himalayas".
    It is not a good book as such, I did not like it at all. But, the true story is of
    a young Australian man who gets lost on a trek and is found alive 43 days
    later. Only through the relentless perseverance of his sister was he saved!

    The Nepali government and their "specialists" had given up all hope, the
    Australian embassy likewise. But his sister went there, pleaded, threatened
    and organized yet one more search party and eventually found him.

    1. Don't give up!
    2. Someone must go out there and go to all lodges etc with pictures.

    Lars
    Lampang

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    General Post:

    Rachael's husband Greg is now in Kathmandu, is going to contact my partner Lhakpa Dorji, who is from the Everest region and has all the contact numbers for the lodges up there.We contacted most of them looking for Rob R, who crossed the Cho La on the 27th and arrived in the dark! We were in Gokyo with a group then.

    Lhakpa and his wife's families own many of the lodges in the Khumbu, so they will be best able to find out if there is any information that we haven't heard of Julian.

    I run a trekking company with two others - one of them is Jamie McGuinness who wrote Trekking in the Everest Region (Trailblazers). We are based in Kathmandu and called Project Himalaya. I am now in the States for a few weeks, Joel is trekking in India and Jamie is in Patagonia, so none of us are available to look for Julian. Lhakpa is the next best thing (or better), though.

    The trail from Na to Phortse is very straightforward, takes one day and is in good condition. The lodge half way down the trail is open all year. If Julian took this trail he should have had no problem, and would have run into people on the way. It is used very often by locals ...

    Let me know how I can help!

    Kim

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    @ Rachael, Marc & Sophie, and others close to Julian,

    I feel truly sorry for you guys and the situation you find yourselves in at present. Julian, unfortunately, isn’t the first foreign trekker to disappear in (Solu)khumbu, and as you must have noticed several regulars of this board therefore gained some experience with this type of situations.

    I have a few questions. Some of them imo deserve a reply here in the thread to clarify matters to other people, but others don’t for it seems that at this stage they relate to the kind of private information you share with the police and with your Consular staff only.

    We have to assume that Julian was meanwhile officially reported missing in the U.K., his home country. You have stated that both Interpol as well as the Embassy in Ktm have been notified earlier this month, yet nowhere in the online media is there any newsarticle on your brother yet. That is unusual, both as far as the BBC is concerned, as well as a number of Nepali (online, English language) newspapers. On the Nepalboard (Germany) poster Manfred supplied some contactdetails last Friday already; he was personally (heavily) involved in two previous, comparable searches in Nepal in the past 3 years. Others too gave you media-links. Myself I mailed you the links to contact some 6 relevant online Nepali papers two days ago. I keep checking, but there is nothing in their news yet. So please, what’s going on? Who is coordinating the information to the media at your end?

    From a fellow poster I learned (by email) that Rachael’s husband and Julian’s original trekkingpartner Lee as well, would be in Kathmandu by now. Did your Embassy already arrange for an official pressconference there, as is usual under these circumstances? When is a pressconference to take place? Not for us here on the web (we already know), but ultimately for Nepali citizens to learn about this disappearance, and ask for their help?

    What I would also like to know, is whether Lee – when they parted – continued up Chola La in the company of one or more other trekkers or a Nepali mountainguide, or completely on his own. And how well is his eyesight, or did he use binoculars when he looked back down and thought he saw his friend leaving the area in the company of two Aussies or New Zealanders? And just why would they have been from Oz or from New Zealand?

    The HRDSN (earlier on in this thread) offered their professional assistance. They have trained mountain rescue dogs (already adapted to high altitudes), and experience. If an advance sum (money) is a problem here, what’s the situation with Julian’s travelinsurance? And does it include a helicopter bond (which could perhaps make it more appropriate/valuable considering the circumstances)?
    Also, I seem to recall that in the aftermath of Gareth Koch’s disappearance and his parents’ subsequent troubles/dealings with their government (the U.K.), the Foreign Office in London would appoint a specially trained and skilled Liaison Officer for difficult situations when a Brit goes missing on the other side of the planet. Are the relatives in contact with this Officer at the FO? And in the event Julian’s travelinsurance doesn’t exist or is insufficient for the present demands, could this special Liaison Officer offer any solutions?

    Lars here asked for a short and simple but clear missing person poster, size A4, to become available online for downloading & printing a.s.a.p. He is só right, you know! A poster with the best resembling photo. And keep it simple but do supply relevant details re. description of Julian’s appearance, dates, times, places (itinerary), description of his clothes, his backpack, did he have trekkingpoles with him yes or no, his footwear, and the fact he never came back to pick up stuff in Namche nor signed out of Sagarmatha National Park (Monjo). That kind of details. And an emailaddress as much as a telephonenumber (in Nepal!) for people to respond.
    So why don’t you set up a temporary webpage in the search for Julian, where people can find compact information + print out missing person posters? Chances are it wouldn’t take long before you have a Nepali textversion as well. Your Embassy could fix that (a translation into Newari), or otherwise one or two volunteers on the web might do it for you; happened in the past as well.

    Please have a look at my email again and supply clear descriptions of
    - Julian’s appearance: height, build, hair, haircut, eyes, down jacket, backpack (size, colour, brand)
    - and describe the best you (Lee) can the footwear he brought along!, and their intended itinerary for the days after Dec. 22nd!

    Reminder: ask your Consul to get in touch a.s.a.p. with the radiostation that broadcasts all over the Khumbu and the Solokhumbu! And get them to broadcast appeals the forthcoming days. Imo radio appeals should clearly mention a reliable telephone number that locals could call in case they want to report something.

    In addition, it seems there are some lodges in the Khumbu too that have a TV-set, although some of them may (will) be closed at present (winter). Is it worth checking out what company is in charge of the TV broadcasts, so a televised appeal (with photos) for help & info could be aired a couple of times?

    Question to the board: is Sherpa a written language, and could missing person posters in Sherpa then be of use in the Khumbu? Or is radio a better idea to reach more locals (also in view of illiteracy perhaps)?

    Furthermore on practical matters (also for those unfamiliar with Nepal, who happen to read this thread):
    Try to stick to one central emailaddress for anyone to send you information in this search; 2 emailaddresses at max. And once your search is being published in the media, incl. email contact-addresses, make sure they’re being monitored 24/7!
    The Gareth Koch-website ( www.garethkochlostinnepal.co.uk ) has a large and detailed online map of (the trekkingroutes in) the Khumbu north of Lukla; this might be of interest to those who’ve never been there, just to get an impression.
    Distances in Sagarmatha National Park are not measured up in miles/kilometers, but in the time it takes on foot to get from A to B, for that's the only overland transport.
    Loadshedding in Nepal: up to 16 hours a day at present! Whether or not that applies to the Khumbu as well, I don’t know.
    In addition, Nepal is ± 5:30 hours ahead of GMT which gives you a fairly limited time-span to communicate directly via internet with your searchparty presently in Nepal. The relatives imo should keep that in mind, and rise early! Or agree on shifts among you in the UK, and who’ll stay online to monitor and handle communications.

    Finally, I noticed the criticism on Facebook, after Ed posted a rather realistic comment there yesterday. I know it's painful, but just so you’ll know: during a search 2½ years ago, a real brawl broke out among some of the Sherpas in Namche Bazaar. And it became clear that some lodge owners felt intimidated by others of their community, and cooperation with the Euros who came searching for a relative had to be done in very discrete ways. A Nepali woman who had joined the searchparty mainly as their translator, was kept in custody in an Army jail in Namche for a few days during the actual search for her own safety.


    And @ Sophie (“Facebook’, Jan. 20)
    It's Julian's birthday now in Nepal so hopefully he'll try and get in contact with Lee today to meet up for a birthday drink, fingers crossed, happy birthday juw xxx
    Grow up. Please: who do you figure matters more to him: the friend who deliberately left him all alone on his first ever trek in the Himalayas just below Chola La in December, or his immediate relatives and people who love him?

    I think it’s important the family, just among itself, has a clear answer to that question! (But you don’t need to tell this board). If you’d like me to congratulate you here on Julian’s birthday: I won’t. Not now. For he may still be alive someplace and in fact doing well – yes. But he may also still be alive out there ( some 30 days after he was last heard from, and in the freezing cold ), fighting death all the time. I see no reason to celebrate and have birthday-drinks untill you have a definite answer on what happened, and where he is now.

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    Thanks Lars, and everyone who has kindly offered help and advice. Only problem is that I dont posess good office skills and don't know how to get the poster in a word doc on to trekinfo.com can anyone help?

    [QUOTE=Lars]A few years ago a young English guy went missing between Jiri and Namche.
    I was trekking in that area at the time.

    I kept thinking that I really wished his family had made available on the net a
    poster, normal paper size. With a recent picture, preferably in black and
    white, and all relevant info on where he had last been seen etc. If there had
    been such a document I could easily have printed out several dozen and
    spread them in the lodges and restaurants along the trail. They can be on
    the walls there within days if well prepared and linked to from this forum.

    Rachael, (Julians sister)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumm
    Good suggestion and thanks for you help Lars and everyone who has kindly offerered advice and information. I do have a poster in a word doc, but I don't know how to get it onto trekinfo.com can anyone help here? I'm afraid that I don't posess good office skills.
    Rachael (Julian's sister)
    Hi Rachael,
    Wasn't aware yet of your post while I typed mine.

    For the moment, just copy the text + a link to the photo you chose onto this thread. And I'm sure technically there'll be a solution soon how fellow trekkers as much as Nepalis (Nepali trekkingagents and -guides) who are following this thread, will be able to download it into a proper A-4 size (handiest format) document they can print out.

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    Default regarding the Namche Youth Group

    @ Dave (Jakarta)

    You and Donald Bason have done your best back in 2004/2005 in order to develop and manufacture the Trekker Intention Books (for all of the Khumbu-lodges). For those unfamiliar with the TIB, see in this BBC link, and Dave’s explanation here: Lost in the Himalayas (2005).

    David (Koch) wrote you the book’s foreword, but the two of you initiated the project and lateron distributed the books yourselves. The already existing mealorderbooks but even more so the TIBs, really served a purpose when lateron occasionally another foreign trekker disappeared (either for a short time, or in the longer run).

    Could you please ask your contacts at the NYG when their new, updated website will be up and running? And whether or not they’ll put back the Missing Trekker-section and especially its several pages about the TIB? Because they are unavailable at present and in a couple of weeks time a new Himalayas’ trekking season is coming up.

    Afaik the set of TIB-pages is now online at Gareth’s website only (in a pdf). If you want a link, please let me know. But imo it wouldn’t harm to have more attention paid (again) to the TIB in the circles of Nepali trekkingsagents, TAAN, and the lodgeowners and guides/porterguides who cover the Khumbu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumm
    ..problem is that I dont posess good office skills and don't know how to get the poster in a word doc on to trekinfo.com can anyone help?
    If I was at home I could easily have done that. But now I am traveling in
    Thailand and don't have access to relevant software or my Ftp-site.

    Lars
    Lampang, Thailand

    PS It has to be said to Julians family that by regulars on this board Mieke
    is considered to be a bit of a nut case. She has no own experience of
    trekking and has obviously never been to The Himalayas. Her posts
    may seem to be worth attention but no regular here takes her seriously.
    Sorry, but you should not waste time and energy on her rantings, there
    are more important things to do.
    Last edited by Lars; 21st January 2009 at 10:27 AM.

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